As national support for police reform and racial equality grows, the value of listening to different points of view only increases. On Friday, Aug. 14 at 12:00 p.m. ET, Washington Post columnist Jonathan Capehart spoke with former mayor of Minneapolis Betsy Hodges about her view that white liberals were often the obstacle to change during her tenure, and how her experience in a traditionally progressive city shaped her ideas on how cities can best move forward. In a Washington Post Live conversation, we asked why she thinks liberals too often “settled for the illusions of change,” and her thought process when faced with an 18-day protest surrounding a Minneapolis police precinct after two officers shot and killed an unarmed Black man in 2015.